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EPISODE 7 TRANSCRIPT
Jenna: Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Star Family Wisdom Podcast. We are so glad you're here. If you are new, thank you for joining us. If you've tuned in before, welcome back. I'm Jenna Layden, founder of Star Family Wisdom and the former global Vice President for Whole Foods Market.
Sinéad: and I'm Sinéad Whelehan, former special needs educator, and Co-host at the Star Family Wisdom Podcast.
Jenna: Star Family Wisdom is a paradigm-shifting podcast, community and online school for your spiritual and cosmic evolution, and we're here today in person in Sedona. This is probably the first time you're seeing the two of us together in person Sinéad is here, and we are interviewing so many wonderful guests, having so many amazing conversations that we will be bringing you on this podcast.
Sinéad: Indeed. And today we're talking about Alan Seinfeld, who is a major leader in ufology, paranormal, spiritual community, and a spiritual world, um, because he doesn't only have impact, not only in North America. He’s somebody who, um, his reach is really global. He has a large following on his New Realities show and he was generous enough to sit down with us and share not only his professional experience, which most people know about, but also his personal experience and his personal journey.
Jenna: Yeah, it was such a beautiful conversation. We have followed Alan for many years on our journeys. And in the episode we talk about his book Making Contact, which I love. I picked that up when it came out, I think in 2020 and it talks about how, you know, his initial ET contact experience led to decades of research on the topic of ETs and everything Sinéad just, just shared. And, and he brings such a breadth of experience from his time in this field. And it was just such a fun conversation to pick his brain and, and learn from his experience.
Sinéad: Yeah, it really was. And also, you know, we really wanted to make it a priority that Alan had some, had the time with us to talk a little bit more about his personal journey, his personal experience, which as we found out, started very young, he was a child. So he doesn't have to often get to talk about that. You know, he doesn't often get to, to, to speak about his own personal journey, his personal experiences with ETs.
He's a contactee, he's an abductee, but usually Alan is the one who's bringing other people together and talking about them and what their contributions are. So we wanted to shine a little spotlight on him and, um, just make sure that, you know, he gets some, uh, some credit and some, some understanding towards what he's bringing to all of this.
Personally, he has a very, lifelong experience with seeking, questing and, uh, wanting to have contact with what is out in the stars. So when he was a child, he was very, very interested in what was up there in outer space and spent lots of time, just, just staring up in, in the, you know, into the ethers and wondering what was out there, and asking the adults around him, if they could help him understand it, but they weren't really able to do that. So he felt he had this experience of loneliness when he was a child, and that was partly what drove him to continue to seek and ask questions.
Jenna: Yeah. What was your favorite part? My favorite part was when he asked me to read that part in his book that was describing his experience, what I just talked about of, you know, being a child, being a very young child and, um, wondering what was out there, wanting to know more and feeling like the adults and his life didn't really understand him.
Jenna: That was touching. It was, because he got a little emotional, like tears kind of welled up in his eyes. And that was really moving because it's just another testament to the fact that when we have these experiences, they have such a deep impact on who we are that even decades later, you still feel that moment you had as a child, right?
Jenna: Yeah. Yeah. And he talks about it in his abduction experience while he knew something had happened, something strange had happened. Uh, he didn't really explore that experience for decades. And, and he talks about what it was like to go through that kind of opening up an exploration of that hidden memory that so many people have that so many people are now discovering and, and understanding. And I think, I think that'll really resonate, you know, with those who have had experiences that they can't quite explain.
Sinéad: Mm-hmm <affirmative>, mm-hmm, <affirmative> Alan had an abduction experience in the 1980s and that's, again, something he doesn't often speak about.
So we got him to talk about that and he really was very honest, you know, he said that he, it was terrifying. He had the experience of fear and, you know, uncertainty and not being sure that he really wanted to find out more of what had happened. He couldn't remember everything that had occurred when he came out of the abduction experience. So it took him 25 years to do a regression, which was just a few years ago, to find out more of what occurred for him in that experience and how it's connected to everything that's happened for him since. It was really interesting, that part. Yeah. What was your favorite part of our interview with him?
Jenna: I, you know, I really loved the part where he talked about, uh, creativity and integrity. You know, I think the, you know, the ET topic gets a lot of attention these days, but, you know, the spiritual journey is really integral to understanding the ET contact phenomenon. And, and a lot of Alan's spiritual journey has led him to understanding really deeply about integrity and creativity as part of our lives. And, and he talks about how, you know, integrity really helps us expand our powers, our, you know, capabilities, you know, our, um, spiritual abilities. And, and I think that is so important, you know, for anywhere we're at, on our journey, no matter what our journey is that, you know, we are leading it with integrity and, and, and, you know, he talks about bringing creativity into his life and into his path and, and how fulfilling that has been to him as a person. And that was a really fun part of the conversation for me.
Sinéad: I agree. Yeah. I agree. I love that he emphasizes that creativity is a form of channeling, the divine, right? Part of it's a form of channeling - not channeling in the way that we usually think of it, but we are channeling all the time, the cosmic consciousness that we all belong to, that we are all connected to. We are always connected with it. And the ways in which we utilize it in our lives, we can do it with awareness or not. And in Alan’s case, creativity is one of the tools he uses to really increase his level of connectivity and understanding of what the cosmic mind is, and how he could bring it into his own life. But also how creativity is a part of the spiritual practice, a very valuable part of spiritual practice, because we are all creators.
Even if we don't think of ourselves as being creative, we are creators and we are constantly creating. It doesn't matter what it is, good or bad. We are creating all the time. So Alan talks about coming into more awareness of how we are creating and also using creativity as a way to further our development of our own awareness of self and our awareness of the universe that we are all part of, not just earth, the universe.
Jenna: And I love that Alan also emphasized that, right. That we are galactic. We are not only on Earth. He considered us, he considers us to be ETs ourselves. And he speaks about why that is. Yeah.
Sinéad: Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. Yeah. It's such a, it's such a big thing to wrap your mind around. Right? All of, all of the topics related to how the universe works, how we create our reality. And I think Alan does it just a really fun job of bringing it down to earth and having fun conversation about that. Not taking himself too seriously, not taking all of this too seriously. And I think that is, you know, a magical combination, you know, we can, when we can get to that place.
Sinéad: Yes. Allen has a terrific sense of humor. He also values humor as part of the spiritual journey, which I love. We have to be able to laugh at the absurdity of being human sometimes. Yeah. But also he believes in being in a state of “I don't know”, and I really love that. I love that. He says that the mystery is the path, is the journey, is the exciting thing, right? The mystery, it's not the finding of the answers. It's the process of discovery and exploration and being curious. So Alan is really an adventurer and I love that. He emphasizes that the mystery is also in here. Not only out there.
Jenna: Yeah. I think that's really important. So let's get into it. Let's jump into the conversation before we spill the beans on all of the, the fun parts and, and you'll have links to Alan's and in the show notes, please, please check out his work and follow him for so much insight and inspiration, and we'll see you on the other side.
Sinéad: See you soon.
Jenna: Welcome everyone. We are here today with Alan Steinfeld, and this is someone who needs no introduction, but we are going to toot his horn and share a bit about his experience and the work he has done in the field of spirituality and ET contact and UFOs. And we are, are just thrilled to have him here for a fun conversation about Alan's journey and everything he has learned and everything he has contributed to the community. So welcome Alan.
Alan: Thanks. It is so nice to be here, in such a beautiful place like Sedona. I love it here.
Sinéad: Yes. We're here in Sedona together, in person. It's so, so wonderful to be here in person, as opposed to being on Zoom with a box <laugh> Jenna and I had this joke about how we didn't know how we looked from here down. Like we've seen each other for months just like this.
Alan: Exactly. So this is nice. You get much more of a, we're real people.
Jenna: Totally, you get so much more of the person. Yes. So I want to read just a quick bio for Alan.
Alan: Oh, show the book.
Jenna: This is Alan's book Making Contact, which you can find in the show notes, we will include a link to his book and a link to all of his other work, of course. Um, but Alan Steinfeld is a contributor and curator of the collection of essays in this book. This is an incredible book that includes so many experts in the field of ufology, ET contact, and, um, really goes into depth on all of the research, the breadth of research that has been done on the topic. And Alan has really curated, um, this collection. And in addition to writing this book, Alan, um, is an ET experiencer, of course. And he first had his alien contact, or star family contact, as we like to say, in 1987 and became obsessed with that topic. And he has since lectured on the subject in New York, California, England, France, Spain, all over the world. And he has also been, um, involved in the crop circle studies in England, and has also worked with Russell Targ from the Stanford Research Institute. And he has also MC’ed one of the largest UFO gatherings in the world, the Contact In The Desert event. Yes. And he has produced two feature length documentaries, The Hidden Hand with James Carman, and Calling All Earthlings. And he's also directed cable program and YouTube show New Realities. Uh, he's lived in New York for many years. And in that work, he has featured so many important, um, guests like Deepak Chopra, Marianne Williamson, Ron **, Bruce Lipton, Joe Dispenza to name a few. So Alan has done so much incredible work in this field. We just cannot wait to pick his brain and learn from him.
Alan: It sounds like a lot, but it's just day to day. **What if it will do day to day? They do things to day to day for a few decades. Yes. This is what I've been doing for day to day. You know, it adds up, but I am passionate about finding the truth. What are we doing here? Yeah. What is the purpose of life?
Jenna: And what, what do you think after all of these years?
Alan: Oh, that is a good question. Cause I don't know if I have a, what do I think we're here to evolve our consciousness to wake up, to, um, understand ourselves as human beings? Like what does that mean to even be a human being? We have to first disconnect from all the programming we have and religions and media, education, family, all the programs that tell us you are this, this and this. Yeah. And find out something else, that maybe we're something else and what no one told us, so I don't wanna tell people what they are either. Everyone's here to find out the mystery. I, I don't know if we can solve the mystery, but at least know we are part of the mystery. We are on the journey with it. Yeah. As it, yeah. As the mystery as, as the incomprehensible. Right.
Jenna: And turns out ETs are a huge part of that mystery
Alan: <laugh> well for some people. Yeah. Yeah. For like, you know, I talked to Deepak Chopra, who's like quite a spiritual being, but didn't really get the ET part and says, well, it's all a mystery. What's the big deal. And I said to him, this expands the historical perspective of our culture. Yeah. Beyond history, it's all consciousness, we're all one.
But as we move through time and space as a culture, you wanna understand this evolutionary, um, expansion as cultural beings, you know? ‘Cause we're living inside a society. Uh, and we're, we're all different, all of us here and maybe watching, we're sort of pushing the envelope of what that is. We're not just trying, trying to like make it nice and, and all that. We're trying to like, say what else is possible.
Sinéad: Yeah. Overturn every stone.
Alan: Yes. And that's exciting, isn't it?
Sinéad: Yes. Incredibly. That's why we're all you our lives about this, right? Yeah. And maybe many people who are watching it have. So speaking of which, I've got a question for you.
Alan: Anything you want.
Sinéad: Okay. Um, great. Anything we want, anything we want, but this is gonna get good. <laugh> right. But I don't think that, uh, many people know or, you know, maybe I'm wrong, but my feeling is that not a lot of people know that you yourself are a lifetime experiencer or that **.
Alan: That is true. Right.
Sinéad: And you haven't been able to talk about that much. So that's one of the reasons that Jenna and I wanted to have you here today, is that you do so much for other people, right. And you don't often get to talk about your own journey, and we find your own journey fascinating.
Alan: Thank you. I feel like, okay, I know what I've been doing, but if other people are just that they can ask me, but you know, actually I also thought it's obvious that I must be a long time experiencer. Like, why else would someone do this 24 hours a day?
Jenna: I didn't even know that until I read your book! That wasn't clear for me.
Sinéad: So I think it would be awesome for you to share about that experience. How did it start for you? Yeah.
Alan: How did it start? Like, in, including like last lifetime and all that?
Sinéad: Well, maybe let's stick with this lifetime. For now.
Alan: I think there's, I'll go back to last life, but I do think it is connected. Yeah. And it's one long lifetime. Absolutely. There are no, like, separate, it's all an adventure in being. But my earliest memories of like, encounters was, seeing faces at the window. I must have been three or four years old. Like, and then, you know, it's really strange. I would play with all these little toys and then this one toy showed up that was like the face of the being outside the window. And I said, that's weird. It was like this big round face with the ears. And like a, I know if that's exactly what it looked like, but it was so odd.
I, as a child, as a five year old, I sort of made, like an association of confirmation. Wow. That, here it's showing up. And I thought I just saw something and here it is, as this little plastic toy. So, and then even before I would have strange experiences, like, I don't think you could separate the spiritual adventures from the ET. I think they're all part of one big thing as our friend Grant Cameron would say, when he woke up to the fact, well, it's all consciousness, you know? Yeah. So when I was younger, I was, I think I was a hyperactive child. I think I'm, I wasn't born later when they'd give people drugs <laugh> but I, to calm them down, but I could never fall asleep even at two years old. It's like, why am I gonna sleep now? It's still light out. You know? And you know, my parents were going by the rule, but your child goes to bed early, but I never wanted to go to sleep. I was always hyper, you know, I, I would just lay there in bed and I would just close my eyes and, and kind of sort of meditate. I would look straight ahead, I guess it was at my third eye, like right there while my eyes were shut. And then I started to see like, light and the going, traveling on the white light as like, oh wow. Three years old.
That's cool. I mean, I didn't know what it was. I just did it. But, um, that seemed like it took me somewhere, like opened my mind. And of course I'm Aquarius. So we're always looking for new adventures and what are you?
Alan: and you
Jenna: I'm Gemini. That's fitting that you're Aquarius, that you were one of the, you know, the first, you know, waves of experiencers in the aquarium age.
Alan: Yeah. Yes. So that was early stuff. And then, oh, I have astral projection. I feel like I was being pulled out of my body. Like the time I was like 14, I was living on Long Island with my parents. I had moved from the city, New York City. And, um, I was in this, my, for some reason my mother decorated the room with these red shutters, like on the window, which is weird, but there was like, I'd wake up in the night and this sort of like red light type impression. And I sort of be like, not able to move. I would feel like I was being pulled out of my body by the back of my neck. Like sort of. Yeah. I guess that's the only way to describe it. I've, I've talked to other people who've had that experience.
So, um, and then I was sort of outta my body. I never associated that with ETs, but maybe it was, and then you have to find, how to get back into the body. Like, I think something happened to me like, that last night I woke up anyway, but it's happened.
Jenna: But, um, so you've experienced like coming back into your body, that sensation.
Alan: Yeah. But I didn't know how, how I did it. Yeah. It was just like a shift of thought. Other times I've had lucid dreams where I was out of the body where I was moving through walls, and it’s - and you can, have you ever had that?
Jenna: Um, not in that way. I've had some other similar experiences where it felt like I was traveling outside of my body, but not astral traveling.
Alan: And you did, you?
Sinéad: I've had, I've had astral travel happen spontaneously when I was a kid. And uh, not for a long time. I think the last time was early, like pre-pubescence, you know, prior to being a teenager.
Alan: You can practice that.
Sinéad: Of course. Yeah. Yeah.
Alan: And Egyptians had practices and I actually have practiced that. Carlos Castaneda was a big influence on me, you know, Carlos have you, do you, have you read his books?
Jenna: Yeah. Yeah.
Alan: You have. Yeah. Great. No, that was a big influence in the **Dallas practices. And then I met a spiritual teacher. I mean, I had met like, some gurus. I didn't wanna follow anybody around like, you know, worship anyone that was not my spiritual path, but graduating college, I was looking for like, what would be like a fun, spiritual path to be on. Everyone was getting into Osho, and wearing their picture of **Baba ? It's like, I didn't wanna dress in orange or um, maroon. That was not my color. You know, it didn't look good on me. So I wasn't going to be a **Sonin that way. And then, um, um, what the early eighties. Oh, but before that I always did wanna be an astronaut.
Jenna: Oh, wow. Yes.
Alan: I always was connected to the stars. I always knew, like there was a connection for me out there. So it just evolved. And then, you know, interested in, interest in psychology in college and thought that was an answer to what we are, psychologically-motivated, and realized, no it's beyond psychology. There's something more beyond psychology. So I just looked at other alternatives, other spiritual traditions, you know, there was the, so, and there was the <inaudible> yoga. And then there was the **catalyst. I never really resonated with that. I was brought Jewish, but the Judaism I was brought up with, my father was Orthodox. Originally. He became a Buddhist later on, but he was very dry <affirmative>, you know? And, uh, Jesus seemed like a nice guy, but I wasn't really into the whole thing. And, uh, I don't know, there weren't a lot of options until like the early eighties, I think. And that's when the whole channeling thing started.
Sinéad: Right. And Eastern mysticism.
Alan: Right. Eastern. My, that was kind of interesting, the eighties. Yeah. Seventies, 80 around then. **And so I track that mahi TM meditation. Yes. And that was good. I did do meditation, not TM, but so all those paths were available, but nothing really like, grabbed me until 1987 - no, before, until 1981. Okay. When I heard this voice that was like this Shakespearean voice, and I heard a tape, like my roommate, my roommate had left in my apartment and it was this channel, since people were asking this channel questions and somebody said to this channel, well, she had this skin condition and she tried everything cure it, and nothing would work. And this channel, Rahma, said, have you tried loving it? And I said, wow, that's why, oh, wow. Have you tried loving it? The whole thing. Um, and that was like, oh, well, maybe this path is about love.
Sinéad: Yeah. Oh, I love that.
Jenna: And that's been, that's been such a profound part of our experience, the love connection and the support. It's not a scary experience.
Alan: It's not scary. So I said, okay. I was, and this channel JZ Knight, who was channeling Rahma in 1981. And that's when Joe Dispenza started. **If you ran with Joe's history. I knew him back in the day, I mean, I mean, he was doing all this stuff, but he emerged out of that school. But anyway, 1981, I figured, oh, well - someone before, before that told me, this woman channeled this 35,000 year old Atlantis warrior. And I thought they were just being psychotic. Right. I mean that's, but so what, no, it's what’s for breakfast, you know? Right. But no.
Sinéad: So then if you thought it was bonkers, how did you actually come into contact?
Alan: Because, because I actually heard that tape after, after that. It was two years earlier that I thought it was like, just cause I was still coming outta college from a psychological perspective, it had to be either the person is making it up. They're crazy. Or no, I don't think so, maybe it's really, how something's really happening. But I heard the tape. They said, well, maybe this is about love. And I'll put like, my judgments about psychology on the side to say, psychology from this perspective has done a great service for us and made us look at, it helped us look at ourselves, but it's done a great disservice on the other level about distrusting our mind. Like if you hear voices, you're crazy. If you have an imagination, you’re crazy. So I've emerged out of the psychological paradigm, but back then, I just went to an audience. In 1981 in New York City, she was coming to New York telling the, the being Rahma who was in war in Lemuria 35,000 years ago, who created war actually back then, because it's a whole, that's a whole ‘nother story. But so I'm sitting in this audience there, and I didn't know what to expect. This woman kind of goes through the, this - well, she doesn't actually go into a trance on stage. Although I did see her go into a trance and then her body changes, it kind of swells. Have you seen those pictures?
Alan: Have you seen what I'm talking about?
Jenna: No, I,
Alan: Oh, there's a great video of Rahma group. Okay. Where she's actually going into a trance - and this is a full trance channel, which is like, she gets outta the way and something else comes in there. Darryl is close. Very similar. Yeah. But Darryl is not as full trance, because he just sits there, like the, Rahma gets up and walks around like an old warrior.
Sinéad: Oh wow.
Alan: We'll watch some. Yeah. So, um, so I'm sitting in the audience and people are asking questions, like ridiculous questions, like nothing personal, but how to, what's what's wrong with their cat, or you know how to find their, a religion, all the typical questions. Here's just this being - **later on sort of really, but the answers to a lot of stuff like ancient history, this is Lemurian times 35,000 years ago, I mean, if you believe the story. But anyway, I'm sitting there and it's kind of entertaining and it's humorous and then Rahma, the, calls on me. I didn't even raise my hand. He said, “what say you beloved entity? How do you this day in your time?” Whoa now, isn't that weird? Wow. It's like Shakespearean. How, “what say you beloved entity, how do you this day in your time.” Yeah. I mean, just adjusting to that vibration was, was like, and I said, um, are you talking to me? It was, and he goes, “indeed entity”.
Sinéad: And then what happened?
Alan: Then, it's like the vibration of the room shifted. It's like everything sort of like, not quite melted, but it became hazy and misty. And it's like, I was in this, like altered state, not hypnotic, but it was in this other state. And I felt like it was a part of me that kind of emerged and embraced this part of Rahma in the middle of the room, energetically. And we just kind of, had that connection, energy, tension. Yeah. So we expressed it, that like your energy tendrils and their energy tendrils could reach out, I guess, but it was more like a, a presence and okay. But, uh, but maybe, um, but then I knew in that moment that there was more to me, that there was an energetic, that I did learn in college that the, that the body was one thing. But the energy that was the body that, you know, filled the body, was greater than the body. And that came to me in that moment that, oh, there is something more to reality. There is something more to me that - and you have to have an experience. Like, it's great to talk about these things, but it doesn't become wisdom until you have the experience. Yes. People can read books and do all those things and it's great, but it will only exist up here. And then, and you have to be open for that. You have to be open for it to start to happen. I think. Yeah, exactly. You have to be open to the vibrational frequencies of that happening. So I guess I was all open. I didn't really expect it then. I thought, so I would just check this out, but there was something pushing me towards a spiritual path and **Martha would say, look, the big mystery is not who's coming through this body. The big mystery is who's coming through that body. What are you channeling there. And I said, well, that's really interesting. Good question. I'll get back to you. <laugh> no, but it makes sense. Who are we? Who is, who are we? Who are you telling right now? Jenna who's Jenna, where did that come from? Yes. What's the mystery of that. So it's like, yeah, that's the big mystery. Forget about that's happening on stage. What's coming through here. Yeah. And so that started like really a 25 year course of study on mysticism and, and incarnation and, you know, um, creation levels and levels of creation, why we incarnate and be according to Rahma, this teaching and a lot of other people, you know, I saw **Laars I saw videos of Laars and then there was like the Eastern people, there was **Ronas who was active then. And there was lots of people, some even like the, um, psychic Timothy Lee. Right. Well, I didn't do that much of that really, but **Cator was a big part of my teachings and they all kind of came together and the key factor between Grant's work and the **Dallas and Cator was integrity. Something we're all trying to work on, but having integrity actually expands your spiritual body.
Jenna: Yeah. It expands your power.
Alan: It, yeah. It expands your power as a, um, force in the world. Yes. Cause anything else just takes your energy. Yes. Even talking about people, even if, judging people, even if it's, it's like all so, it's like a, it's like a curse when you do that. It's, it's, it's the - I'm giving a lecture, not this weekend, but on the iconic energies, how they - do you know about the Arcons? And they live off of that negative energy. So when you feed that Arconic, um, negative force, you're feeding this negative, ET race and it's draining your energetic field.
Sinéad: Like whatever you, whatever you focus on, you make more of, right.
Alan: If you, whatever you focus on, if you put your energy, your words, your thoughts, your actions towards a certain path, then more of that is going to occur, and vice versa.
So you decided, but you feel like you were aware of that at that time? Uh, no, not at that time. What were you gonna say?
Jenna: I, I guess I was kind of thinking about how your spiritual path, like all these kind of explorations you were doing, came together to prepare you for ET contact.
Alan: oh, you're so good. I think so. I mean, ET contact really is sort of, um, not different than a spiritual path. It is a spiritual path. It is part of our spiritual, it, it is not like, I mean, it is something and you can look at it on just the level of this visitors or you can look at it on level that, and that's what my book is about. You have to kind of, um, find a new place in yourself, if you're really gonna start making contact. It's like, um, these beings could show up and they do, right, for all of us, but, um, there's no way to put it, in the old paradigm, right. Of like 3D, Newtonian, linear understanding of reality, you know, and I think initiation is really part of the evolution. And part of that school that ran the head was a mystery school.
Jenna: And this is where in, in Egypt, the initiates, who to, go into the mystery school, to start to develop higher vision. And it took time, like it takes time to go through that process of opening.
Alan: Yes. That's what we should create together, a mystery school. Right. That takes people through the evolution of their own soul psyche. Like, did you ever read the book,
The Red Lion? No, I haven't. That is my favorite book, by Maria Zappas, okay. Hungarian writer. And it's about a person on the trip of incarnations in lifetimes. And it's about the journey of the ancient initiate, from innocence to magi, Magus, you know, to, to the master, you know?
Jenna: So it's, um, what we're all about because you know, we're part of this ET sort of phenomena. It is a path of initiation. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, it is. And it it's it's and path of initiation is like, there's no time off for that. Right. It's it's always on. And I think it's important too, to maybe just for the audience, talk a little bit about how initiation is about opening to, and understanding the mysteries of the universe and how the universe works and the mechanics of existence. And if we don't understand that, it's really difficult to understand the ET contact phenomenon, isn’t it? And it's difficult to understand who we are, yeah. In that context. Yeah.
Alan: So yeah. I mean, ET interface, that's happening now in our culture. That's why we're having this conversation. ‘Cause there is this like, cultural interface between this next level, like where the bridge between the old world and the new world, , it is about opening up more of your mind as initiation, you know? So if something appears in your dreams, you're being called to meet the phenomena on a level. Yeah. Like right, that happen to you.
Jenna: Yes. And we feel that I, well, this is one of the things I wanted to ask you. I believe you've spoken about this to, you know, some extent that the spiritual practice, the spiritual journey of a person, you know, somebody could be going along with their own spiritual path as you were, we have. And then all of a sudden ETs appear, right. I mean, this has happened for many people. And so there does seem to be this directive **OSIS between that personal, internal hard work that you do, that you have to do, if you want to be someone with integrity of a spiritual path, you have to confront yourself. Right. You have to look at yourself and be willing to do that. And that's not easy to do. And so, you know, that's like really hard work, spiritual work, you know, powerful. Yes.
Then suddenly - ! So what do you say about, what do you, I would love to hear you speak to the connection between that spiritual journey and when the ETs arrive.
Alan: Well, you just laid it out beautifully. It's not two paths. Right? When you open up to the internal journey, you look at all your **stop be, we realize we're part of a bigger cosmos, a bigger cosmos, subconsciousness, and, and the old spirituality, not to judge that or put it in a box, never got that far. They said, oh, we're going for God. And that's all there is. And I think we have to keep up putting both worlds, the evolutionary human, and the cosmic consciousness. So when you move along that path of initiation and you realize that you're part of a cosmic consciousness, then you're gonna meet the cosmic consciousness. <laugh> so it's, it's not two paths. It's one path.
?: Yeah. Yeah. It's all, really all the same thing.
Alan: And you know, it is all the same thing. Yeah. Cause those beings - and there’s high and low beings out there. Right. They're, they're like, anything else - are you gonna resonate with the high beings? Or you gonna like, you know, it's a lower being. And so if you wanna resonate with the higher beings, you have to be a higher being mm-hmm <affirmative> right. Yeah. You have to work towards that. And, and do the practices of integrity and um, and whatever else it takes to get the ego, the limited self out of the way mm-hmm, so you can become the great self. This is I, this is what they call the, um, the great work mm-hmm <affirmative> the **Fremont, you know, the great work, the, um, you know, um, the biggest, the most important thing, I forget the Latin name for it. But, um, yeah, I forget. Yeah. Something like, but the great work is the transformation themselves. So the book, The Red Lion is a path that was a great story of a, of a guy who goes through those levels. That's one it's actually, I'm just mentioning, ‘cause I just read it recently. It's one of my favorite books. Oh. I mean, I heard it being read and I had read it myself, but it was being read on YouTube. It's like, wow, this is so much wisdom on the path of initiation. Because if you're watching this, you are an initiate. We. We meaning that there's a lingering memory of being on a spiritual path from another lifetime. And maybe this is the lifetime or the chance, to complete it, to ascend because we're being helped by the earth.
Jenna: Now that's why we're in Sedona. I just got chills when you said that, uh, welcome to your initiation <laugh>
Alan: or yours, but <laugh> but Sedona is at a different vibrational field. So I think this is my theory. We're in a huge magnetic field, absolutely iron outside in the rocks, creating a magnetic vortex, and you're in it. Yeah. And there's, there's a lot of crystal in the rocks around Sedona. And I, I agree. I think there is a difference in how the electromagnetic field operates here that creates, uh, an easier means of contact with beings from higher dimensions. And it opens up the dream field and increases the cellular molecular vibration because the resonance of the magnetic field and the blood and the **bikes can easily adjust. Like I just got off a plane the other day and it's like, I didn't even need sleep. I mean, I do like to sleep, but I didn't need that much sleep as I would if I had gone somewhere else.
Jenna: Exactly. Exactly. So have you ever had an ET contact experience in Sadona?
Alan: Hmm. Um, well I did meet a woman in 87, getting back to 87. Okay. I came here in 87, met this woman. We fell in love sort of or something. Um, and we took a trip across the country, and that's when we got abducted, both of us, from here. But, so we met here. It felt like an arranged, not marriage, but it felt like an arranged relationship. It was meant to be. It felt like something, we were both sort of into the whole thing. So I hadn't, oh, there was a sighting I had just in Flagstaff once. I was assuming **sweat lodge, disc thing came down and then it went up. But, um, I do get visited in dreams.
Sinéad: What, well, can you elaborate on the abduction experience? I mean, I know you talked about it before, but -
Alan: - it’s in my book don't forget to get making contact.
Sinéad: - that’s part of the reason I'm asking you. Yes. Tell me is, is it - because, um, you know, something Jenna and I talk about a lot is that it's really important not to be too one way or the other, you know, when talking -
Alan: what's one way
Sinéad: Well, like the extremes, you know, for example, um, you know, uh, there's there are, people who for good reason have had scary experiences. And so they think it's all scary. It's all fear, they’ve to come get us. Other people think, you know, they're only all love and light and everything else. Right. So you're sort of speaking to the fact that there's as much variety out there as there is here and we need to be open to all of it. Yes. So your abduction experience, I have not heard you speak about it the same way that I've heard other people. Your perspective on the experience where you got from it is different, right?
Alan: Maybe, I don't know, but going back to the idea of the extremes, this is what Ray Hernandez’ study, the F.R.E.E. study, you know, the **Beyond UFO saying, people have, can have a traumatic experiences, like talk to those people. And 87% of them said it was a, a great experience once it was, is digested.
Sinéad: Yes. Yes.
Alan: But I do think - and this is what I'm writing about, also. There's something for me anyway, traumatizing, in the sense that reality is not what you thought it was, right. When you are faced with it. And suddenly the world is on its side. It's like, you can, it's traumatic. Yeah. It is traumatic. Even if these being are not out to get you, I mean, they are, I don't know - but for me, I was driving across country, with this girlfriend I had met in Sedona. So I met her in Sedona, not far from here, and we had a really good connection and we continued going, and we kept in touch. And then I ended up in Oregon and she said she wanted to fly and meet me in Oregon. And then we both drive back east together, ‘cause she was from ** from New York and both going back east with someone else. But anyway, so, um, she meets me in Oregon, and then we decide to go back east. We stop at a nice hot springs. **This is off the 94. It was really nice and we have a great connection. And um, but we've been driving one day, all day and then we're just really tired. ‘Cause you know, you're on interstate 80. That's the, you don't have to ever get off 80. You can go from the George Washington Bridge to the Oakland Bay Bridge and never see anything else.
Alan: Have you ever done that?
Sinéad: No. No, no.
Alan: It's good. You could do that three days. No. So we're driving like for a couple out, like pretty much all day tired and we could turn off the road off the interstate onto a small, um, little dirt road, you know, just to sleep. ‘Cause I had a band. Okay, that had driven out from New York. No, I was just, I was doing like a little national tour, like stopping at the crystal mines in um, Arkansas. This was the summer of the first Harmonic Convergence. Did you know about the Harmonic Convergence?
Sinéad: Yes. Yes. Tell, tell us about it.
Alan: Did you know about it?
Jenna: I heard about it. Yes.
Sinéad: But tell the audience!
Alan: This was the first new age spiritual holiday of its type. This was supposedly according to Jose ** UAEs. Did you know Jose **GUI? He the one who translates the Mayan calendar. Jose GUI said that on April 16th, no, August, August 16 and 17th, 1987 would not be the end of the Mayan calendar, it would be the end of the nine hells that started the Mayan calendar in 1519 **Cortez in date okay. Okay. And so starting in 1519, it was predicted this white God would come. Of course he wasn't the kind of God that they wanted. It wasn't the kind of person, but it was predicted. And that would start nine 52-year cycles. So nine times 52 takes us to 1987, which would be the end of that cycle.
Jenna: That's when I was born, in 1987.
Alan: Maybe you were delivered <laugh>. So from 87 to 2012 would be these 25 years.
And you know, the whole 2012 thing that happened, and didn't happen. But anyway, so everyone was gathering. This was before the internet, people were gathering and all the sacred spaces around there were a lot of the - in Sedona, to check out, uh, you know, Mount Shasta, um, Maui, Machu Picchu, um, Arizona, and Australia, all the sacred sites on the planet. There were people gathering in 1987- you know, Central Park, New York, but I kind of went on a tour like in July, just to see, where did I wanna be on the day that you know, that kind of transformational day? So I came through Sedona, this was when I was in Santa Fe. I was living in Santa Fe later. But um, I kept going and then I decided I'd go back to New York. And, but you know, so I met this woman, we're traveling, and she was heading that way. So, um, um, how do I get that? But before all that happened, that was why I was on this tour of the, of the country. Okay. Just to see what was, the like, and Sedona felt really nice or a great community. Chaco Canyon felt really amazing. Have you been to?
Jenna: No, I want to, yeah. It’s a sacred -
Alan: Let me know when you’re going. Yes. Let's go in the spring. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go. Maybe next. Oh yes. Yeah. I love it. It's a sacred, it is a sacred space. Chaco Canyon. There's a great Kiva there. Like when you step into it, you're stepping into another reality. Definitely. So anyways, driving, but anyway, we stopped off, going back to my story about the - stopped off to sleep that night, going down this dirt road, there's a sign that says enter at your own risk. Huh?
Jenna: Oh my goodness.
Alan: So maybe it's always good to look for signs <laugh> but we went anyway down that road and I think it was because of the irrigation canals. It was Western Nebraska. It was like north plains Nebraska. I think it was somewhere like Western, where Wyoming and Nebraska, before it becomes like the plains, the, the plains of the, the mid, the mid-state, the mid, you know, mid Mid-America states. It's like, gets flat after the Rockies. So probably the, so anyway, um, we pulled off, we just go to sleep, we just pass out. We just like, are so tired. So we just, and we remember about waking up in the morning, is that we didn't move. Like, and who even remembers that you, what position you went to bed in and not moving. Right. How do you even, right. How does it even come into your mind? And I woke up in the morning, you know, I said, did something happen? I go, no, no. I just walked it out. Yeah. I, at the time I didn't wanna go there. Right. It's like, I, you know, so, but it did feel weird. And then I get back to New York and my mother, well, I think has - my family has a whole lineage of abductions. Oh, I think though they would never, I think it's on my mother's, my mother and my grandmother, you know, I always go to the story where my mother says when she was a child, she had to live in, in the Southwest during the summer of, of 1947 when the whole Roswell thing happened. Yeah. And they get lost in the mountains. And I think there was some kind thing that happened there. And um, so I think there's lineages and - that happens in abductions. But anyway, so there was this mark that was on the back of my knee. I've told this story many times, it's in my book, it was a four prong puncture mark, four prongs. And I said, oh, that must be a spider bite, something. What size? It must be a spider bite or something. I, I didn't associate it with the, with the - but then I started to do this video, coincidentally, for this woman who was choreographing her abductions for this performance piece, she was a dancer and she was, wanted to, and she, now I was doing a lot of video production work and editing. So I don't know how she found me, but she, I asked her about the mark and she goes, oh yeah, that's an abduction mark. Oh. And that just freaked me out. <laugh> it did. It did.
Jenna: So how did you find out whether it was one, or?
Alan: Well, she was actually connected to Bud Hopkins, an ** abduction foundation. And I had met Bud and I went to Bud's gathering and it just seemed like, oh it wasn't -
they called my girlfriend and said, did anything happen? She goes, yeah, that night we were frozen <laugh> and she goes, yeah, she remembered. Then she was regressed, and said, yeah, there was something that happened with her, ankle and my knee. And there was like some transfer or DNA thing that was taken. And, but I still didn't wanna be regressed because I wasn't ready. But I know, from refusing to like, acknowledge, that I became like a fanatic. Yeah. I do. As Grant would say, I got sucked down the rabbit hole. Right. That it was my, you know, meeting. Oh. You know, when I went to Bud Hopkins's first group, it was like a Christmas party. There was a feeling of love in the air. There, it's like, wasn't anything Bud was doing. He was a nice guy, but, but it was something that was opening up and they say, but it was more like love and they're not there to, so I didn't really know what was happening to recently, actually that really, I got regressed towards the **production because oh, wow. But what they did do was get me on the path of initiation, a way to finding, meeting all - that's how I wrote this book, ‘cause I met all the great people in the field, and I put them in this book, Linda Moulton-Howe, John Mack, who I did meet at the time. Great guy, very smart. Whitley Streiber, uh, Grant, Nick Pope. They're all in this book. And um, so I be, I wanted to know everything there was, you know, I mean my library in my apartment, New York, I must have 500 UFO books there.
Sinéad: Oh that's great.
Alan: Yeah. So I mean, I love books, spiritual books and art books and history, but so I just wanna know everything it was about. I go to all the conferences. That's how I ended up being in MC at, um, Contact in the Desert, all these different conferences from really 1987. So now I'm still obsessed with it. Yeah. Like what happened? What's going on? One thing I heard that actually Linda Moulton-Howe talked about was when, um, who was the guy who went to area 51. John…
Sinéad: Say again, sorry?
Alan: The guy, the guy from Area 51. He kind of exposed Area 51. What was the name?
Sinéad: Oh, Bob - yeah. Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar.
Alan: Yes okay. Bob Lazar talked about an experiment he saw at Area 51 where a candle was burning, and it just was frozen. It just stopped. It was as if it was burning, but frozen in time. And I think that technology was used on me and my girlfriend when we were sleeping, we were frozen in time and taken out of one flow and genetically kind of, um, extracted some of our genes and a hybrid was created that, um, that actually I was presented with a year later, really being woken up in the middle of the night. This was the weirdest thing that, you know, you might think you were having a dream, but they woke me up. And this happened, I read from other abductions, I think, by tickling me. I kind of woke up in this dream that- I've only really seen ETs in this dream state - and this little being was placed in my hands. With these big black eyes, but it didn't look human. It didn't look human. And I could not, I couldn't connect with her. I said, this is weird. What is this? Why am I holding this little animal? So I couldn't connect. There was not that connectivity. I mean, there's people who get presented with their ET offspring and say, oh, that's so - you know, I didn't actually wanna, because not, I don't know what my promise is.
Sinéad: Well, you were just not ready.
Alan: Like I think everybody just has their, your own sense of ready. I don't know was I, I don't know. I maybe the timing or something. I, doing something about, you’re ready when you're ready. Timing just being right.
Jenna: Like I've been sharing with Sinéad, you know, I desire having conscious contact with them. I want to see them right in front of me, standing right in front of me. But I also know I might be kind of scared when that happens. Right. That might be too much right now. I don't know.
Alan: Well, I do have a whole theory about when they show up why it is too much because they're vibrating in a different frequency. Yeah. I think that's also why we, a lot of us are being called to these sorts of places. Yes. To raise our frequency. That's what actually I'm gonna talk about at my, um, talk this weekend about how we need to resonate at a higher frequency. So we can interchange with these beings, but they're not at our frequency. ‘Cause when they do show up in their frequency, it's powerful.
It actually is so much for people that it's a distortion of our field. Yeah. I mean, this is my experience. Other people, maybe they're more well adjusted. That's my experience also. Yeah. It's too much. Their frequency. Even Daryl who's been in my book, he says when he started in this dream state to meet, **be shark, he penned because his whole sense of identity was being ripped away from him, and that's a key that we have to really understand, like how the false sense of personality can be in the presence of that.
I mean, you could try to hold onto it, but if you hold onto that, that's the trauma. ‘Cause the trauma is to the personality. Right, right. And we all think we’re these personalities, you know, yeah. This is your history and you are this person. So when you can let that go and be more like, Zen, I guess. Yeah. Then get that, you go out of the way <laugh> then you can meet these beings yeah, on a much more level playing field and you know, absorb their frequency. So that's why I wasn't ready, I think, to meet or even be regressed to that place where I can meet them. But, ‘cause I don't think they exist in this reality. They come in and out of this reality, of course it's physical traces and marks, but their, their whole, um, plane of existence is in a different realm. Right. And that's why some people say they might not actually be alien. They might not be from anywhere else. They might actually just be from here.
Sinéad: Yeah. I do find that interesting. You know, that our perception may be playing apart on how they're appearing to us.
Alan: Right? Like, so, some people - there's this theory that some people experience, you know, “ETs” and I'm using quotations, uh, because I'm referring to this as a kind of blanket term, you know, not necessarily as being beings from other planets, but just the ET idea can be expanded for, for this theory. Right. That, that ETs are actually off- terrestrials, beings that are just not earthly, I guess, is one way. Angel, that, that they show up as angels, as, as alien, as you know, different things, as military ops perceptions… But what are they? I don't think we know on the human level. I think if we ascend that, we level up, we will know more, we can call them angels or trees or interdimensional or Ultra-Celestials; we can call them a million things, but it doesn't mean that anything really?
Jenna: No, it doesn't. I agree. I think we both agree. I do think, I do think they are physical beings and I do think, I think there's just different levels of physicality, you know, there's different vibration levels, right. Frequency levels that we're all operating at. And so that's why we can't see some of them, but to them they're physical and they can see their physical reality.
Alan: You're right. It is like that. Yeah. So it's a little mind-bending. No, it is totally mind bending, but we have to bend our mind in order to make contact with that because they're not going, that's why they appear in dream states. Yeah. And altered states. Yeah. Uh, but they don't, if they were to show up right here right now, it would actually alter our consciousness. Yeah. It would be so shocking. It would - to our nervous system, even, even people who have worked on nervous system regulation, like there's still from what we hear a level of shock that just occurs in that moment that you just have to adjust to. It's like you just have to recalibrate. It's vibrational. And you know, I talked to Whitley Strieber, who I think is probably the most practiced contactee out there. Whitley has probably had more conscious contact than anyone I've met.
Sinéad: Wow. I mean, there's the starseed people and all that, but that starseed contact is happening in a non-physical way. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And maybe it's physical. Some people - I don't know, but the people who have had, you know, one on one, face to face, there's a practice of lucidity.
Jenna: You have to practice it all. I've been practicing that cause iPractice them, you know, I do a ton of meditation. I've been doing a lot more lucid dreaming.
Alan: Oh, because that can help you bridge, right. That less conscious and conscious state lucidity is the key. How do you practice? What's the dream?
Jenna: Oh, well, there's a number of ways and I'm not, you know, the most studied on it. But you know, when you are in that, in between state, when you're in that sleepy state before waking up, right. When you're remembering the dream, right? The goal is to stay in that state, not wake up, not, you know, moving exactly that that's how they obscure.
You could then call them in, in that stage. I did see them one day, you did five Sedona doing that and saw their faces right before I woke up, what did they look like?
It was the man. So my starting, I connected with their Mantis being oh, lot IANS doing they're great. <laugh> well, I heard they're very nice. I haven't met myself
Jenna: Well, they're, you know, they're, they're funny. They - they're highly, you know, like spiritual in nature and very much about, you know, interconnectedness and you know, they’re followers of cosmic law.
Alan: Okay. Yeah.
Jenna: And they, um, and so, so a lot of what, you know, I teach on Star Family Wisdom, which is spiritual law, cosmic law manifestation stuff, is partially channeled from the,
Alan: Oh, you’re channeling - that’s a being, oh, gotta do a show. I've always wanna talk to the Mantis.
Jenna: Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't get, I do not channel them, like through me in public settings like this. Um, but I could, I could probably try it's, when I'm actually -f it does happen at times, you know, when we're like in an interview setting or that sort of thing, or times when there is kind of a channeling process that takes over and when I'm writing and oh, they come through there, courses spill out of me.
Alan: Yeah. There was that guy, Simon Parks, who was doing a lot of Mantis. Yeah. Did you know Simon?
Jenna: Uhuh? No.
Alan: Have you heard of Simon Parks?
Alan: Simon Parks. He was doing Mantis channeling, I guess, or something. Cool. But anyway, back to the story that back to you back to not back, no back to -
Sinéad: no kidding, ‘cause I did wanna hear this story.
Alan: Okay. But, um, let's see. Oh, so I, it took me a long time to actually want to get regressed and it was only until I met, um, what was his name? Um, I went to the Citizens - here - for UFO Disclosure in Washington, which was phenomenal, five days of, of expert testimony. Grant was there, there something else?
Sinéad: 2001, right? No, that was the Steven McGreer thing. The 2013 that Steven Bassett put on.
Sinéad: Okay. At the, um, National Press Club. Yes. In front of former members of Congress that, um, and there were 40 witnesses, including Linda Moulton-Howe, Steven McGreer was there. And, um, there were lots of people there from, you know - pilots, but anyway, um, what was his name? The guy who tested, who was at the Rendlesham Forest. Do you know the Rendlesham forest?
Sinéad: Yes. That's an amazing story.
Alan: That is 1980 Rendlesham Forest. Um, there's a, uh, a, a joint US and British air force base there, Woodridge and Eastgate, somewhere in the forest, in, in England.
And this craft lands, and the American forces go over to investigate. And this guy was pen - Pennon? Pennon, pen. What's his first name? Pennon - Pennon is his last name. Okay. Okay.
Alan: He, I like it right now. He touches the craft and he loses 45 minutes, or something, of his consciousness. But then he then, like, sometime later he just writes these zero and one codes in a book. He doesn't know what it means.
Jenna: Oh yes. I heard about that.
Alan: And then it's translated to be all these power spots around the planet. Theon codes. It's incredible. So, and Sedona is one of those spots, so it's power - and he didn't know why he’s writing zero and ones, you know? So, um, he's speaking at these hearings, him and these other, I think John Burroughs is also part of the Rendlesham Forest thing. Yeah. Um, he's speaking, and I meet him afterwards and said, well, what was that like, how are you doing now? This is 1980. And he says to me, ever since then he's had to make a sedative to go to sleep. ‘Cause he was so freaked out and - you know, these are military people! And um, so I said, wow, 1980, this guy is still taking - I don't want to do that. Of course I never took a sedative, but it's, he didn't wanna know what happened. So that sort of inspired me. Oh, what really did happen to me? So it wasn't until like 2015 or something like that, I actually went to a hypno- therapist and was regressed back to that night. And you know, I had called this girl.
We were traveling. I hadn't seen her for many, many years. We haven't even talked in a long time. Just, we're always on good terms, but you know how that goes. Yeah. But I did call her like before the aggression, I said, oh, you remember that night, we were driving cross country - and she says - like, what is that? 35 years later - “You mean, the night we were frozen”. She remembered it immediately.
Alan: And I remembered immediately. It wasn't like we were - but we were suspended in time. That's what it felt like. So that's the focus of this regression. So I go back in this regression to that moment and you know, people talk about being regressed and memory and remembering things, but you don't quite remember something that's been traumatizing, because you never experienced it to begin with. Like, I've been studying a lot of trauma where, trauma is when a part of the personality splits off. And so the person experiencing the traumatic event is not really present. There's no memory there. So the memories in, in regression for me are not actually memories, ‘cause it never happened. And I'm not, I explain, it's, but, they have impressions, they're they're coming from somewhere. I didn't feel like I was making it up. And someone explained this, someone who's on one - Whitley shows, explains that. Yeah. It's from this alt - it's like remote viewing. Did you have - remote view? You get these impressions and it is your right brain telling you what’s hap, what you're seeing. But the left brain says, no, it couldn't be. Yeah. So that's what happens in regressions. You know, you're accessing - your subconscious mind remembers everything, every little minute, actually, of every lifetime you've ever had, is recorded in your Akashic records on a soul level. So I was regressed back to that night. Brain awareness - and saw the light, and sort of **sorry, remembering the doors open up into the back of the van, these being come in, kind of float us out, and start to sort of tune into what happened, which was not so bad. It was not as - the idea of it was worse than the anticipation of that.
Jenna: That makes a lot of sense.
Alan: And I, the anticipation, the idea that more - that tension, which, between discovering it and knowing it had happened… well, I would describe it as the idea that you are not in full control of your reality. That is the trauma in a way - that you're frozen, you can't move and, and we're, we're actually in that regression, we're lifted out and I don't remember that much. I need to go back and do more, but something happened. I saw these themes that looked like actually the only thing that - this is why I'm obsessed with Kamora Jones's work, you know, Kamora Jones.
Alan: The artist, the artist, when I saw the work, that's what - the being - just eyes, there's no other facial features. This is what I remember in the regression. It was just a big head, eyes, big eyes, nothing else. And these kind of, um, not quite nonphysical, but like bodies, but they weren't quite physical based. And there was a tall one that was more like in charge, but they were very nice. It's just, and this is so important, I think it's just such an altered state. I mean, people do drugs, have altered states and they're good. Some people freak out because it's an altered state, but the altered states of being in the presence of these beings that, not like any ayahuasca trip you've ever taken, <laugh> no seriously. ‘Cause I did ayahuasca.
Jenna: It's a trip though. <laugh>
Alan: It's a trip. It's a trip that's so intense because of the vibrational fields. A big part of it is that you need to practice lucid awareness. That is the key to making contact. Yeah. That's the moral of my book. Sorry. Now as part of it, but so, in this hypnotic regression, I'm a little more used to making contact, and um, somehow it, I think, I don't know, I might be making this up, but it somehow was part, those beings were part of the, the beings I met in between lifetimes, from my, past lifetime to this. And so I think as a starseed, if I can call myself that - a little obnoxious to say that -
Jenna: - that's a, that's a term that works. It helps us. I dunno. I think I came in as a representative. Yeah. Okay. So I like to use the term ambassador, I think.
Alan: Okay. All of us are. So I think I, I was always that being, you know, like the, wanting to be an astronaut, and actually being like, when I was growing up, I always wondered what the stars were. I actually, actually, actually you see my book there, I think in the opening page of my chapter, that shows, it tells you my here, your first chapter here - No I'll show you, in this here. You can read this if you want.
Alan: Because I explain why, um, how I got to where I am, you know? Um, you know, it's like, it's just sort of, was always with me, this idea being from somewhere else and um, Hmm here. Oh, just, just read that one here. The next page.
Sinéad: Okay. I have always been a person of wonder and imagination. As a child, I looked up at the stars and just knew they must be the porch lights of other people's homes. Just like the lights at a distance I saw, riding on the back of my father's car at night as we approached our neighborhood after holiday visit. I love that. The stars fascinated me, because they seemed so odd to be just hanging there in the night sky.
Yet when I asked the grownups about them, no one seemed interested. They just nodded in my direction, amused with my fascination. I can relate to that. But I wanted to know what made - what made these points of white specks twinkle out of the unfathomable blackness that helped them in place? I wrote a poem called “Stars” for the elementary school paper, about the life of those distant suns. My parents said, isn't that nice <laugh> but - no one knew what I meant. <laugh> I didn't know what I meant either, but I was compelled to call out to our neighbors in the infinite blackness to say, “I see you. I know you are out there. Thanks for keeping your light on so that we know that you are home.” None of this seemed to matter to anyone. No one I, I knew ever looked up to wonder what was out there. Mm. I can relate to that too. I think Jenna can too. They kept their head to the ground occupied with the toils of the everyday world doing what they had to do to get by.
Alan: Exactly. I was not part of that group. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to relate. It is. You have that sense of gosh, like there's something else, like this can't be it. Exactly. Did you ever feel that way?
Alan: Even in the corporate world?
Jenna: Yeah. Yeah. You know, I, I, I got really busy during those years. I didn't have a ton of time to think about - but yeah, like always.
Alan: So how did sense of - work in the corporate world while that other thing was going on for you?
Jenna: Well, you know, a lot of it was not that obvious to me for a long time. I've always had, you know, some like future site and pre-cognition and that sort of stuff going on, but it just, it was very integrated in a way that it just wasn't super obvious until it started becoming obvious, until it started to show up in a bigger way of my life than the last five years. Right. So, and then I started realizing, you know, it isn’t amazing. You always were that.
Alan: Yeah. Yeah. I mean just, it sounds a little different. Yeah. Me too. Did you?
Sinéad: Yeah, I felt I had a, I've told Jenna this a lot. I've had a very hard time understanding a lot of human behavior. Ah, I found a lot of human behavior, very confusing and distressing, and I couldn't really make sense of why people said and did certain things to each other and you know, like I didn’t understand. And so I really don't understand that, but I am going back to you though, cause this is about you.
Alan: Okay. <laugh>
Sinéad: Um, my question is really that, you know, you have done so much research and listening and learning from others and you referenced at the beginning of your book, these giants whose shoulders that you stand on, but in your own personal experience, what have, what, what have you learned from the, what is it that you feel like they have given you in this lifetime to use?
Alan: That's a really good question. I would say learn from, I mean, I think we are them, so I'm what I, I guess, learned or gathered in relationship to that, whatever these things, even - maybe they're (indistinct). Yes, vibrations are key. Energies are key. And in, in understanding who we are, it goes back to when I met Rahma in 1987 or 1981, that was an energy initiation. So we are energy. We’re frequency, we are vibration, all we are that, I mean, I’m seeing you and you're in those containers, but the container is pure energy. That's what's animating you - so I don't know if I learned that from them, but they emphasize it for you to know. And the process of understanding what is going on, you know, is always a 90 degree turn. You know, that thing that Buchman circle says, you think you're going for one thing, but there's this other 90 degree. Yeah. That like you actually are learning about. So you’re trying to understand the phenomena, the whole idea of what is really going on with all of existence.
Right, right. Cause those are just beings, whatever they're trying to understand their reality. And so, and maybe they are teachers. But maybe they’re teachers for a year maybe. Um, so I wouldn’t say I got like, sat down and learned anything except become (indistinct). Become. And it's like, I was talking to Geraldine about this actually. And I said, you know, we have memories and experiences that we, not just, uh, remember the frequencies, we become encoded with the frequencies. So these ETs are encoding us with new stuff, because we are that we're, we are not separate. We are not, I say this in the book from planets, we are all made of stars. I mean that, that, but when I'm saying, we also come from consciousness, the consciousness that we are, in thinking of, we did not evolve from the primates. It was implanted into these animal bodies. These are… we're living inside an animal. Right. And sometimes it's obvious <laugh>, but you know, but we're not the - ask that you - look, look what humans do. They decorate their place. They make recordings. They do - this is not like any earth animal. Right. There's something, we are extraterrestrial intelligence.
Jenna: We really, really are. The human body is the most like, powerful piece of technology on the planet.
Alan: Yeah. Besides dolphins maybe. But that's another story, that's different. That's different talk <laugh> but dolphins are much more multi-dimensional than humans. ‘Cause they think with both sides of their brain, they never are unconscious, dolphins.
Yeah. But, uh, and they make four sounds at a time, they are languages, multi. They also have to breathe consciously (indistinct) unconsciously. I was working for John Lilly, doing a video. He's with ATIC <inaudible> will drown. Right. Cause they are conscious on the left and right side of their brain. But anyway, we, what we think, we are these personalities and these, and these relationships and these families, all that, that's the programming, those things happen. And they're great. Mm-hmm <affirmative> but we are the extraterrestrial consciousness inhabiting. This is my belief, these animal forms flesh. But um, in order to have an experience -
Sinéad: earth school!
Alan: earth school, but it's a great school because there's everything happening here, it's so diverse. And you know, it's such, such a big schoolhouse, you know, you go from kindergarten to, to postgrad right here in consciousness, you know? Yes. The people just starting out, that just know - it doesn't mean they've had like, more or less lifetimes. I think it's like, I think we all, in my spiritual belief that we're all in, we all were infused with spirit at the beginning of creation, as a fractal of the infinite mind, let's say, but how many lifetimes have you chosen to have? How much, how much has your soul recorded of wisdom from experience? Right. So this is why I think it's important. We have this conversation because what is happening now with the starseed, then star family is that there's a new encoding of frequency within the human species that is shifting its vibrational, um, tendency, and that's what you're creating in the school that you're creating.
Jenna: Yeah. Yes, yes.
Alan: So we're doing with this conversation, it's like, we are in the process of evolving and, and, and activating, you know, new parts of our brain and activating, you know, dormant DNA as, as we do this work and yes, that ultimately should evolve us into a higher version of humans.
Sinéad: It's interesting to me that we, you know, the way we talk about evolution, you don't have discussions like this, the way we talk, about evolution in the 3D. On the 3D level, it's “evolution’s happened”, you know? Right. Like it's in the past and that it's over and now we got everything and we're just fully evolved. And I don't understand that.
I've never understood that. Life happens - it’s always a forward journey.
Alan: It's always a forward journey. But as far as biological evolution, do you know like, like, you know, 1000, I mean that exists, but yeah. I think it exists only at certain moments in history. And I think it's like how one species becomes another species.
There's - nobody knows that. No- one knows how a dog separates from a cat because they don't look at the big cosmic environment. Right. I think in my theory of evolution, is things evolve. What they call punctuated, um, evolution, they, it spurts, you know, and I think that happens from cosmic, cosmic radiation. And there's like, you know, mass, solar injections that modifies the DNA. So the species that can shift its DNA to like, you know, your children be a different species if it's modified on the DNA level. So what came first? The chicken or the egg, I think. But, so I think that we're at another point of specialization.
Jenna: I agree. There's like a level of complexity that is growing.
Alan: complexity is key. Yes, you're right. Yeah. It is complexity. So, and complexity happens when old systems can handle the energy. This is systems theory, complexity, chaos theory, in order for them to, they either collapse under distress of a more complex system or they expand, expand yes. A new level of complexity. We that, or that
Sinéad: that's that point. Exactly. Exactly. We know that the physical, you know, inherently, this is just my personal opinion, I think inherently the physical only has so much value, right? Like we are consciousness, but it is a valuable tool. There's a reason why I'm in this body at this time in this place. And that, you know, we know that by, by treating our physical a certain way, like health and wellness, um, that our consciousness can change in symbiosis with that. You know, we treat our bodies terribly. We only eat junk food and we drink, you know, plastic water and stuff. Our consciousness is not gonna be able to function, and -
Alan: We're able to, we're gonna it's. But the other thing I think about these bodies is that they're also in, uh, they're also spirit. Yeah. And, and the Ascension wave is to transmute the body into spirit. That is the outcome to become more and more and more light.
Jenna: Yeah. Right. To actually physically become light, to activate the bionic nature of cellular structure into a light being.
Alan: Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think, this section, it's also fascinating how many experiencers, they kind of have a sense, get a taste of that, you know, like their psychic ability suddenly become enhanced or their intuitive abilities become enhanced. Their ability to smell, what they see becomes enhanced. Right. Because of contact experience with whatever it might be. Exactly. Yeah.
Sinéad: Do you think that's happened for you? Like in like your career, right?
Like, your, your career really took off after the contact, right? Like you -
Alan: I think you're, yeah. I didn't think of it that way, but maybe there was some that happened. Let me see my career. I don't know. Well, could you, that was more committed. I guess I, let me, no, I just wanna integrate what you're asking there.
So let me see. Yeah. I had the contact experience, even though I had like, chat and then yeah. Something did ignite with a mission, so then meeting Bud Hopkins and meeting John Mackey and Whitley Strieber. Yeah. I never thought of it as a career though. That was the difference. When you said career, I thought of it as a greater exploration of the mysteries. Yeah. Yeah. Of like, you know, so again, I reference Grant because I know you worked with him and he says, this is the Super Bowl of all mysteries. I said, <laugh> no… ‘Cause you know, and I talk to people like Linda Moulton-Howe, and it's like, she's been on this for 40 something years. And she says, this is like a 16 layer chess game. No one has this figured out. So I figured if you're gonna devote your time to understanding not the past, but the future. And you are trying to formulate an intellectual understanding that's beyond the intellect. How do we make sense of something that doesn't make sense? So I think the biggest kind of intellectual challenge is to put this in a perspective, this phenomena that still doesn't have all the answers.
We don't really have any idea what's going on, but in a way that starts to integrate the process of working with the bigger public that can then embrace it on whatever level they're at. So that's why I have so many different essays and because - everyone - but there's 12 different essays and everyone is meeting it where they're at. So in a way it's a primer, but in another way, it's a, um, no process. It's a journey. Yeah. It's like a movement.
Sinéad: And I love that. You're emphasizing that nobody has the answers. I really like that a lot. No one has the answer, but people say that they do, oh, one, one, well, some people say, you know, present themselves that way. There is one guy out there who says he has the answer. Well, not even in you for just in sort of the general, spiritual sphere. Right? Like I feel like we need to have an attitude of discernment and we have to make sure - of course- there are answers. It's very easy for people to be like, okay, now I know, I know.
Alan: Ru says run away from people who have the answers and who are still asking questions. Yes. Yes. Because no, I could fundamentally say there's not one human being that I've met and probably I've heard that knows what the phenomenon is all about. Of course. And that's what makes it such an interesting career as you would say. Yeah. To pursue because, because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it doesn't have a, an answer yet. And there's no ending. No, like it's, it's, we're just on this eternal journey to figure this out. Maybe there is an ending point. Maybe there isn’t.
Jenna: Well, do you think - well maybe open contact would be one type of ending point. Do you think that's going to happen in our lifetimes?
Alan: I think it's had happening on some levels. I think it's happening to some people. Yeah. I think it, uh, open, I mean, where ships coming down landing and saying, I think that, well, it happened in, was it 1997 at the, a school in, uh (indistinct) message, save your planet. So yeah, John Mack invested that and so did JJ Hurtek. He actually was there too. Oh, I didn't realize that. Yes. And so, um, I don't know. I, I think, you know, will we, you're asking, solve the mysteries of creation?
Jenna: No, I didn't. <laugh> ask the question. <laugh> no, I'm not saying you have the answer. I'm just saying, will we? Because I mean, maybe they know.
Alan: I mean, I don't think they know we are part of the mystery. Yeah. We are the mystery. Yes.
Sinéad: Yes. And we're the excitement behind the mystery. Yes. There is no answer. Yeah. And I think all three of us share, you know, the excitement and all of the potential that exists in existing in the, I don't know what exists, get a place of, I don't know what I'm learning and I'm growing and I'm on this continuous eternal, ongoing journey. Yes. I love that to me is what makes it so exciting because it gives its so much potential. Right? If you say, you know, then you're limiting your ability to learn.
Jenna: I love that you said potential because I think, yeah, that place of not knowing that place of being okay with not having the answers accepting just what it is.
Mm-hmm <affirmative> allows you to access all those, those potentials.
Alan: that's right. Yeah. It's like that uncertainty, principle, everything and, and flow.
Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I know the government has not come out and said, I mean, one of the reasons why they're hiding the secret, ‘cause they don't know what to say.
Yeah. Right? Yeah. They don't know what it's confusing. Even Lu Elizondo at the cutting edge of disclosure - I don't think he knows what to make of this. He really, Danny Sheehan is gonna say, yeah, yeah. Well Danny, especially, doesn't know what to make, Nobody knows what to make of this. And I think that's fascinating. That's why Grant calls it the Super Bowl of all stories. Because if you can solve it or like put, have a piece of the puzzle or, or integrate one part - and we're trying to do this, which is great. ‘Cause we're, and this is why disclosure has to happen because once it has to, maybe you put all the pieces on the table, let's see what we make of it. Right. All but collectively together collectively. Yes. ‘Cause it is a collective experience. Yes. You know, and Bruce Lipton has a really good, I quote him from an interview I did with him in this book.
Can you read this part too? <laugh> it's here in the Epilogue. So you read the whole book, the introduction, you get to the Epilogue and the epilogue is kind of, sums up here, um, with this quote from, from Bruce Lipton that says, oh, you talk about evolution here. This part starting at the bottom, would you like to read, would you wanna read?
Sinéad: So I, should I read the paragraph?
Alan: No, just read that part. Just that the next level of - this is Bruce Lipton talking to me and you, I said, well, where are we going? And he says -
Sinéad: okay, in 1999. Yeah. “The next level of evolution for us is to recognize that we are all cells in a larger community, coming together to share awareness in order to create one living organism that would be called humanity.” That's beautiful.
Alan: We are not humans until we create humanity. This is when we all recognize that we're all cells in the same, living organism and work in a coherent fashion. Then humanity is complete. When humanity is complete, the earth as an organism completes its evolution. It becomes a living, breathing pulsing Gaia. When we come together in unity with a voice that will allow us to speak as one, this will allow us to speak with the other ones. Oh my God. Oh my gosh. I don't think he even knew what he was saying back. I mean that, that he, that he was talking to like the, the one. So we are, we're just like a little cell of consciousness and a bigger body. Like your skin cell doesn't know what you're thinking now.
Alan: No. I mean maybe, I mean, no <laugh> maybe, maybe yourself, but there's a fractal nature to ourselves. So it's like, how do all the cells of our body come together to create this focussed moment that we're calling now? How does that, I mean, so if we're all cells in a bigger organism, that is a super organism of a super consciousness. Yeah. We're just part of that. Yeah. And so we, that humbles you. Yes. But yes. But it also, um, realizes that yeah, we're part of something bigger, but there's also the fractal nature where the part is the whole.
Sinéad: you know, I think of a grain of sand on a beach, which comes to me in the same kind of way. Like the beach cannot exist without every grain of sand being there to -
Alan: except the ones I bring home to my, um, <laugh> after a nice day of yeah.
Sinéad: But you know what I mean? Like it's the same sort of idea, you know, that we, and, and on the cellular level, Jenna talks a lot about health and wellness and you know, from her background at whole foods, um, that we need to nourish all of ourselves.
We need to nourish our energy fields. We need to nourish our little cells right there. And we all buying food -
Alan: We're part maybe I think of a bigger organism, I think so. And when you find your highest excitement, you are doing the job of that bigger organism doing that incarnation job.
Yes. Right. That's what we feel we're doing. And I know you feel the same way, right. Super bowl. Right. We're in super bowl. Yeah. The super Bowl's exciting super bowl. Well, really we like been a team player and you're in the super bowl. Like what else is there to do? But it's all self chosen. Anyone can be in the super bowl. It's up to you.
Jenna: Yes. Join.
Alan: What do you call your organization?
Jenna: Star family wisdom.
Alan: Join a part of the star family wisdom and join the super bowl.
Jenna: Yes, yes, yes. This is, this is all an effort for us all to find our part in that whole. Right.
Alan: Well, you found it though together, right? I think just being together. Yeah. It's like, it's unfolding the parts it's like, so yeah. It's like we are the drop in the ocean. Yeah. And the ocean and the drop. Yes.
Sinéad: That's the (indistinct) Rumi said that, that’s a Rumi quote that I love that basically says that we are, we are the ocean in a drop. Yes we are. And that obviously needs - you’re such a, a joyful person. Like maybe you're always like this, but I feel like it brings a lot of joy to your life.
Alan: Well, it's joyful because it's exciting. Yeah. And because there's, it's exciting. ‘Cause there's no answer, no one has the answer. It's like, so no one, you could, everyone has a piece. That's why I put these people in the book. ‘Cause all these people have a beautiful piece, and you put them all together, you get a mosaic and maybe you get an image of like the mosaic, if you squint a little bit. And it's like, okay, that's the mosaic. Yeah. We're starting to see the, the puzzle come together. Yes, yes.
Jenna: And stuff that happens to you. That's your answer where you connect it to these star families. So it's like offering a piece of the puzzle. You know, we're talking about so many different aspects of this experience, you know, we're talking about the biological kind of fear response and the like the difficulty that the brain, the human brain has to like, actually see what's occurring and digest it.
Alan: Right. That's very hard to do.
Jenna: And that also the expansiveness that it brings to your life, our life. Yes. And you know how it's changes mindset and perspective and understanding that is so far outside of the limitations of what we are fed, you know?
Alan: Right. That's why I call it, preparing for the subtype. Right. Preparing for the new realities, that's ‘cause the preparation is just having the discussion, just bringing up the topics, just looking at it. Yeah.
Jenna: And seeing, cause you're right. There is fear when you meet the unknown, it's like, how do you deal with something that you never even thought of before. Yeah. That's big. That's a big expansion. It's huge. Like cognition and recognition is something I talk about a lot. Yeah. I think like what, what advice do you have for people who are in that stage where it's like all of a sudden telepathic connection, all of a sudden, you know, your mind is expanding and there's this cognitive dissonance, like how is this possible?
Alan: Yeah. I would say the best thing is to go into the confusion into the co - let it, but you know, know that you're saying, let it kind of sweep through you and let go of identities and holding on and just float, you know? Yeah. There's that story. I think it's someone in one of the Jonathan Livingston Segull, these little creatures on this, um, in this river and this one creatures floating down the river and they said, wow, you're really flying. How did you do that? And saying to the other creatures, just let go. Ooh. Just so no, we can't let go. And he says, no, just let go. <laugh> so let go, just let go of whatever you think you are and whatever you think you think and whatever you think, you know, and float in the, you know, cognitive dissidence, because it's like, you know, those magic eye things that you used to look at, there's a place where everything just blurs until it comes back into focus.
Jenna: Oh, that's such a good example. Right? So it's like, you have to go into the, um, unformed, be the unformed.
This is what another teacher I had, Paul Lo used to say - be unformed, disconnect from the realities and stay there. As long as you can in the unformed, in the uncertainty, in the unknowing cloud up unknowing, like what Alan Watts says - stay in the unknowing until you naturally come back into form. Yeah. ‘Cause it will be form, but the longer you can say unknown, unknowing, unknown, uncertain, the more grounded the knowing will be because you haven’t rushed into it too quick. You're like the, you know, butterfly trying to rush out of the cocoon. You don't really fly, but you can stay in the cocoon of unknowing, cognitive dissonance -
Alan: surrender. Yeah. Um, then if you can trust that and you can trust that. And then the, the new being, the butterfly, the creation will emerge. and it has for you. Right. You stayed in the unformed majority of your story. Yeah, she did too. Yeah. But you let yourself be on, you wanted to hang and you wanted to attach the thing and yeah. It's like nothing until you arrived in paradise right here
Jenna: surrender, like it really is such a valuable part of the journey. Right. But you trust it, right? Yes. Yeah. Yes. But, but there were many moments of course, of, of wondering, right, Gosh, am I, should I trust in this? I -
Alan: but look what happened when you did, right? You do. Yeah. The left brain is like, but the bills and the mm. Right. But when you do trust and so maybe there are teases, maybe they're not, but if you are needing the other it's okay. Let yourself dissolve into otherness. Yes.
Jenna: I love that. So that's yes. I mean, I'm only saying that because parts of that happened to me now we're all in the process. Yeah. Of the hero's journey.
Sinéad: That reminds me of what you said earlier, you know, love the skin condition. Like have you loved it. That's it walk towards it. Meet it. Don't walk away from it. Don't, don't run from it. Don't go over here, right?
Alan: Yeah. There's that, um, you know, the, uh, “Letters to a young poet” by Rilke - he says maybe all your monsters were really princesses in disguise, You know, waiting to be (indistinct). Yeah. So I think that if we go and see these ETs, yeah. Maybe they're scary cuz they exist in a different reality, but if we can meet them without, without being overwhelmed, completely stay like a little present, but in unknown then there's the evolution. Yes. That's the vibrational evolution of initiation. Yeah. And that, that's what we're here to bring in. That's what I think your channeling can bring in. I think so. I think so. I think we're ready for you.
Jenna: I think <laugh> well, I think our community's ready for you. I'm so excited to, to have done this and oh, introduced you to, to everyone.
Alan: Oh, well thank you. But you know, I'm not saying I know anything <laugh> cause I don't, I'm only like telling you my experiences yes. On my adventures of, on the road to find out. Yes. You know, and I think that's so beautiful of the latter.
Jenna: Yeah. You're willing to do that. I think it's through how we share our personal experiences that we, we see ourselves and others, we start to see there's more connection than we even realize.
Alan: Right. And if I say, oh, I know what it's all about. I, I then limit, yeah. I feel, uh, a more pieces of the puzzle. So maybe when all the pieces of the puzzle are table, like maybe say, oh yeah, this is what, but, but we're, we're far from that, we're, you know, quite ways from all those elements and those being and those inter dimensions and those higher consciousness and channeling and downloads and the uploads we're far from that.
Sinéad: agreed. I agree. Yeah. And I think, you know, this is, uh, where I wanna get you some kudos as well. Now that we're wrapping up. Okay. You are someone who really brings people together. Right. You are bringing people together in community, in so many different ways.
Alan: Yeah. Well of course new. It's not my intention to bring people. It's just what I do. So it's not like I'm saying, oh, I'm gonna bring people together. I'm like, it just happened. It just happens.
Sinéad: You are doing that. You are doing that. Whether you try to or not.
Alan: I love doing it. Yeah. I mean, I know what you're saying and it least that way, but for me, when am I doing, I don't know.
Sinéad: You're following your passion.
Alan: I'm following to all these beautiful connections. Yes. Because I love connecting with - this. Yes.
Sinéad: And so you're, you're presenting that for other people. And as a result of that, you've naturally created community for people. Right. And that's very valuable because there's so many people out there who - this is why, you know, I'm kind of saying this to our community, that community is so incredibly important. You know, sharing, coming together and sharing these experiences, sharing our new, new, I don't know (indistinct), you know? Right. So that we can all explore and have these adventures together. Yes. And help to validate them for each other.
Alan: But there are some things I do know when you surrender, like when I teach remote viewing, I say drop out of the like, conscious mind and let the subconscious come in. And that will guide you. Cuz like I said, before we are non-local consciousness. Yes. We can access those realms. And I do think that's what ETS or whatever those beings are, do. They are not living in their personality. Yeah. As we know it, they are accessing a field of experience that is um, um, abstract in a way abstract awareness.
Jenna: I think that's where creativity can come into it.
Alan: Definitely. That's totally where creativity comes in. Cause I've been talking about that at the upcoming conference, doing that abstract awareness and creativity and tapping into the unknown uncertainty. Creativity does come from the unknown. No one of the great things Rahma said back then in 1981 is that we come in to make known the unknown. You know what that means?
Alan: What does it mean to make known the unknown?
Sinéad: We use our creativity to just channel that information - in whatever way it ends up manifesting, it's representative of the information, kind of thing. Makes me think of, I don't know if that's what you were looking for.
Alan: No, that is sort what I was lookin for, that creativity bringing things into form out that unmanifest basically, but the unmanifest doesn't even exist anywhere until it becomes channeled into form. It's like, there's not a map to the unknown. It's just until consciousness takes an action. Right. But until the flow of time also intersects with the creative mind to bring things into form based on the atmosphere that we're in, in happening.
Sinéad: Yeah. You're, you're making me think of something. My father said to me that, I love - my father's an artist, graphic designer, and -
Alan: Ok, what did he say?
SInéad: So he said - uh, at one point I was , and I was asking him, you know, dad, how, what's this painting you're thinking of making? He had started one, like it was just a bit of it on the canvas. And I said, what is this? Like, what are you thinking? How, what are you gonna do with this painting? And he looked at me, and he couldn't articulate. And he said, I can't explain it. You know, talking about painting is like dancing about architecture.
Alan: Right, right. That reminds of the, um, quote by T.S. Elliott. He says, poetry is an array on the inarticulate. Oh. So that's why I love poetry, and the poets, because they, you know, there's a great dialogue of Plato talking about Socrates. Socrates meets this poet on the road and he says his poet, you know what makes your poetry so great. He's asking. ‘Cause he knows what he, what makes and the guy says, yes, it's the way I use my words. And it's the intonation and the, the rhythm and the rhythm and Socrates says, no, that's not what makes your poetry so great. He says, what he says, it’s when the God speaks through you. Yes. When you are out of the way. Yes. And you are a vehicle for the greater intelligence, poetry is the language of the soul, that's it? So when the true art comes from that same, that the source comes from, when we're personalities out of the way, when we're living in the abstract, unknown quality, then we can tap into the ongoing river of creation as creators.
Sinéad: Yeah. As creators, love that we are all creators. That's why, yeah. That's why we're here. And, and I don't think that's something people know really well, in a way. Like, you know, like some people are artists that some people are creatives, and some people are, everyone's an artist, but we all are.
Alan: Yeah. Well, that's why we really need to push for disclosure cuz the true purpose, I think of culture and civilization is for everyone to be an artist. I agree to, to be part of the creation of this and add to the creation, add the unknown quality as yet to manifest into form. That's another book I'm writing called the Flowering of Humanity when we all live.
Jenna: Oh beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. That's our destiny.
Alan: We're all creating all the, the time. Even the words that are coming out of our mouths. I don't know what I'm gonna say next.
Jenna: <laugh> yes. I love that. Let it. Well, but that's art. That's flow. That's channeling that's - yes. Being indeed. Indeed. I think that is a beautiful note to end.
This is part one. This is part one. Um, Alan, earlier you mentioned another book that you are writing. So about art and creativity.
Alan: Yeah. Remind the audience. What, what that's about when well, tapping into the unknown. That's tapping into the divine mind of who we are in the intimate. So I'm not sure what, but sometime in the near future. Yes. I think so.
Sinéad: I have to tease another one, which is uh, the untold story of the first ever ET contact. I think it was something like that. Did I say you alluded to it, you said that, um, you were going to be telling this, this story of untold ET contact.
Alan: Did I say that? Did I say that? is that right? Could have was <laugh>
Sinéad: It's right. “His next book promises to bring to the world, the first undocumented case of ET contact that's has never been revealed.”
Alan: That's right. That is, that is part of what I wanna do. There's there's a, yeah. Something I'm working on. Okay.
Sinéad: So you've got exciting stuff in on the go.
Jenna: There is - where can people find you?
Alan: How, well look at my YouTube channel, that's youtube.com/new realities. I have an ongoing series about ET contact and you know, people who have had contact and where we're going and what the ETs are saying and channeling and spiritual wisdom.
So that's on my YouTube channel, new realities. And then you can email email@example.com. I have a website that should be up any year now <laugh> new realities.com. You could find me on Facebook, Alan Steinfeld. Um, what else? Instagram?
Jenna: - and Alan’s books
Alan: and my book and my book Making contact <laugh>
Jenna: - and we will link link to Alan's information, his books, in the show notes so check that out and definitely follow him for so many more amazing conversations.
Alan: It's just beginning. We are exploring unknown territories. We are, we are, you know, that's one more thing I just wanna add is that you, for two years, we've been locked inside or yeah, house time on a spiritual retreat from the world. And now the future is unknown. There's wars, this thing, but we can carve a new path. There's a, a lot of butterflies coming out of their cocoon right now. I think you're one of them, right? Yeah. It doesn't have to be scary. It can be an adventure. It's an opportunity. It's all an adventure. Even if they stand there right in front of these species, they're not greater than you. They really are. They may be more intelligent, but they're not greater than you. we're equal to that. Yes. All from the same source. Yes. All, all just doing this life experience vibrationally, you know, we're in an upgrade.
Jenna: So let's have another conversation soon.
Alan: We, oh, got it. We should.
Jenna: Thank you so much, Alan. Yes. Thank you for being here. It was so good.
Alan: Both of you, and your energy. It's so nice to meet you in person, we’ve been on zoom a bunch.
Sinéad: Yes. It's so good to meet like this.
Alan: Thank you. Thank you. To our star people. Thank you. Yeah. It's so, so exciting to see star family wisdom become what it's becoming and what is it be a support system for people it's really about cosmic evolution and, and education and, and stepping into our, our spiritual shoes.
Jenna: Yeah. I'm glad to be a part of that. Yeah. Thank you. We're so grateful to have you here and sharing your knowledge and experience with us.
Alan: Thank you, Jenna. Thank you. Thank you.
Jenna: Thank you for watching.
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